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	<title>Comments on: Newsflash! The Key to the 20 Somethings is Not Musical Style</title>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
		<link>http://trevinwax.com/2007/10/02/newsflash-the-key-to-the-20-somethings-is-not-musical-style/#comment-28197</link>
		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Great comments on a great subject.  I am a 40 year old guy that leads an outreach music ministry to reach the age group that you address in this blog.  I dropped out of church in high school and didn't return until my 30's.  I have a special place in my heart for this age group, particularly since I was called to minister specifically to them.  Our ministry plays cross-over R&#38;R in an effort to reach those OUTSIDE the church.

Now, that being said, I have a few brief comments to share about music and worship.  I believe that music can attract people to church, as can numerous other things.  And music (and other things) can retain people.  However, the Holy Spirit is the only one that can truly bring people to Christ and keep people in church for the right reason.  Like others have previously said, there are most assuredly people that go to church for the music but are pretending to be Christian.  "I never knew you.  Get away from me, you evildoers!"  On the other hand, while it is of tantamount importance that we follow the Spirit's guidance in ministry, I am reminded of Paul's statement "I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some of them."  

Ultimately, it is all in God's hands, but I believe that we should do everything in our power along the way.  It is His pleasure that we are vehicles for leading others to Christ, and our love for Him drives us all to serve to the fullest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Great comments on a great subject.  I am a 40 year old guy that leads an outreach music ministry to reach the age group that you address in this blog.  I dropped out of church in high school and didn&#8217;t return until my 30&#8217;s.  I have a special place in my heart for this age group, particularly since I was called to minister specifically to them.  Our ministry plays cross-over R&amp;R in an effort to reach those OUTSIDE the church.</p>
<p>Now, that being said, I have a few brief comments to share about music and worship.  I believe that music can attract people to church, as can numerous other things.  And music (and other things) can retain people.  However, the Holy Spirit is the only one that can truly bring people to Christ and keep people in church for the right reason.  Like others have previously said, there are most assuredly people that go to church for the music but are pretending to be Christian.  &#8220;I never knew you.  Get away from me, you evildoers!&#8221;  On the other hand, while it is of tantamount importance that we follow the Spirit&#8217;s guidance in ministry, I am reminded of Paul&#8217;s statement &#8220;I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some of them.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Ultimately, it is all in God&#8217;s hands, but I believe that we should do everything in our power along the way.  It is His pleasure that we are vehicles for leading others to Christ, and our love for Him drives us all to serve to the fullest.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing.  Those that say that if those that are unchurched come because they like the music or something else that enables a worship experience other than strict adherence to biblical principles and to have GOD centerstage is intolerant and single minded.  One poster on this blog stated the following:

if we got rid of every dynamic media and production feature, i doubt we would lose anyone, save those who are there to be entertained, and we need their seat anyways. what we have been sold as “an enhancement to your worship experience” is most often the brainchild of some guy at a worship corporation designed to eek out a few more shekels from the faithful. if every hour spent strategizing on how to impress people with our churches was spent on our knees in prayer, revival would already be here. ouch. i better go pray now.

Now, this is a typical rant from someone that has no desire to welcome those who may be struggling in their faith.  He would require them to adhere to this one line of thinking, and that the only reason we do "contemporary worship" was that it was some corporate driven desire.  Well not being a corporate entity, and enjoying christian music in both the car and the church, I would find that his single barrell approach to worship a main reason why those who are unchurched and wandering, remain in that state.  Only membership is allowed in the club, or their seat as he put it, unless you are GOD centered at all times...seems that post was far from GOD centered...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing.  Those that say that if those that are unchurched come because they like the music or something else that enables a worship experience other than strict adherence to biblical principles and to have GOD centerstage is intolerant and single minded.  One poster on this blog stated the following:</p>
<p>if we got rid of every dynamic media and production feature, i doubt we would lose anyone, save those who are there to be entertained, and we need their seat anyways. what we have been sold as “an enhancement to your worship experience” is most often the brainchild of some guy at a worship corporation designed to eek out a few more shekels from the faithful. if every hour spent strategizing on how to impress people with our churches was spent on our knees in prayer, revival would already be here. ouch. i better go pray now.</p>
<p>Now, this is a typical rant from someone that has no desire to welcome those who may be struggling in their faith.  He would require them to adhere to this one line of thinking, and that the only reason we do &#8220;contemporary worship&#8221; was that it was some corporate driven desire.  Well not being a corporate entity, and enjoying christian music in both the car and the church, I would find that his single barrell approach to worship a main reason why those who are unchurched and wandering, remain in that state.  Only membership is allowed in the club, or their seat as he put it, unless you are GOD centered at all times&#8230;seems that post was far from GOD centered&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would disagree and agree to a point.  I think the most successful church would have a similar trait. They all have dynamic and engaging pastors that provide a message that is applicable to every day life.  Music styles do bring people in and turn those away.  But I think the key is for whatever reason the unchurched come that first time is so wide and varied that its not just one thing or all things.  Some may say the relaxed atmosphere, the coffee you serve, the welcoming attitude, the preaching, the music, so there is a wide variety of reasons why they do come.  Do not make blanket statements because a few people prefer less music, ill find a hundred who will counter that.  Its a complete package, and the point is that you have to find a way to get people into the church, then you have to find a way to keep them.  When churches get stagnant, people leave no matter how good you think you do it..God Bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would disagree and agree to a point.  I think the most successful church would have a similar trait. They all have dynamic and engaging pastors that provide a message that is applicable to every day life.  Music styles do bring people in and turn those away.  But I think the key is for whatever reason the unchurched come that first time is so wide and varied that its not just one thing or all things.  Some may say the relaxed atmosphere, the coffee you serve, the welcoming attitude, the preaching, the music, so there is a wide variety of reasons why they do come.  Do not make blanket statements because a few people prefer less music, ill find a hundred who will counter that.  Its a complete package, and the point is that you have to find a way to get people into the church, then you have to find a way to keep them.  When churches get stagnant, people leave no matter how good you think you do it..God Bless!</p>
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		<title>By: Sling Shot &#187; Music</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sling Shot &#187; Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a church musician, all this conversation says to me:

"Everyone is an "expert" on music, and most of them don't know what they're actually talking about."

Don't point the finger at someone else.  I'm talking to everyone.

Also, I would hide this article the next time your church is looking for a music minister - killing his involvement in the mission is sure to be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a church musician, all this conversation says to me:</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone is an &#8220;expert&#8221; on music, and most of them don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re actually talking about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t point the finger at someone else.  I&#8217;m talking to everyone.</p>
<p>Also, I would hide this article the next time your church is looking for a music minister - killing his involvement in the mission is sure to be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: trevinwax</title>
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		<dc:creator>trevinwax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Devin,

Thanks for the feedback. This discussion is definitely the result of cultural contextualization. I don't want to say that music doesn't matter at all... it does, and it matters a great deal. But it is not the key element that brings people to church or keeps them in church. 

That said... if a church is completely unprofessional in its music and has no desire to change, that church has other issues that are manifesting itself in its musical style. Music matters to people... but the idea that one style of music is going to appeal to most all of us 20somethings is just wrong. We don't expect that, and while we like contemporary worship, it's not the magic bullet that's going to bring us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Devin,</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback. This discussion is definitely the result of cultural contextualization. I don&#8217;t want to say that music doesn&#8217;t matter at all&#8230; it does, and it matters a great deal. But it is not the key element that brings people to church or keeps them in church. </p>
<p>That said&#8230; if a church is completely unprofessional in its music and has no desire to change, that church has other issues that are manifesting itself in its musical style. Music matters to people&#8230; but the idea that one style of music is going to appeal to most all of us 20somethings is just wrong. We don&#8217;t expect that, and while we like contemporary worship, it&#8217;s not the magic bullet that&#8217;s going to bring us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Pemberton</title>
		<link>http://trevinwax.com/2007/10/02/newsflash-the-key-to-the-20-somethings-is-not-musical-style/#comment-23233</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Pemberton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's interesting that Baptists are pushing kids into the baptistery ever earlier only to abandon their development. Why would have to try to reach our 20-somethings if they are already truly Christian and have been properly discipled? Too many parents leave the spiritual development of their children up to the schools and the church and fail to be adequately involved in either.

If our Christian 20-somethings have gone off to college, the college town churches should be full of them. They marry and settle somewhere. Wherever they settle, they go to the church that most appeals to them for any number of reasons. These may be good reasons or bad reasons. I imagine that most of the people that attend Joel Osteen's church are there for the wrong reasons.

We should make sure that people join the church for the right reasons. We should make sure that our younger children are properly discipled so that when they become 20-somethings they are well equipped to find a good church for the right reasons. If this happens, whatever worship music we end up will be chosen by spiritually healthy Christians and will most likely engender an appropriate offering of praise to our Lord from the congregation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that Baptists are pushing kids into the baptistery ever earlier only to abandon their development. Why would have to try to reach our 20-somethings if they are already truly Christian and have been properly discipled? Too many parents leave the spiritual development of their children up to the schools and the church and fail to be adequately involved in either.</p>
<p>If our Christian 20-somethings have gone off to college, the college town churches should be full of them. They marry and settle somewhere. Wherever they settle, they go to the church that most appeals to them for any number of reasons. These may be good reasons or bad reasons. I imagine that most of the people that attend Joel Osteen&#8217;s church are there for the wrong reasons.</p>
<p>We should make sure that people join the church for the right reasons. We should make sure that our younger children are properly discipled so that when they become 20-somethings they are well equipped to find a good church for the right reasons. If this happens, whatever worship music we end up will be chosen by spiritually healthy Christians and will most likely engender an appropriate offering of praise to our Lord from the congregation.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin Hudson</title>
		<link>http://trevinwax.com/2007/10/02/newsflash-the-key-to-the-20-somethings-is-not-musical-style/#comment-23231</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevin,

While I agree somewhat with the gist of your thoughts, I would say that the music style issue is an important one. You are right - people bring people. But I can also tell you that music style can definitely hinder a person from returning. My ministry context is definitely different than most who would read or post on this blog (entertainment-driven Las Vegas) and I can assure you that our music is a huge factor in who we reach.  We are a church composed primarily of 20s-30s and our band members are primarily professional musicians. They bring it loud and hard and it definitely is a factor in helping our diverse crowd return. Also keep in mind that we attract a large group of nonbelievers who have some strange misconceptions about church. Our music engages their heart and mind long before I speak.  

Bottom line: music should both glorify God and engage the hearer.  If one of these factors is missing, the music has lost its purpose.  Music is not necessarily central in our cultural context but it is vital to our weekend environments and is definitely a piece of our puzzle in a post-Christian culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevin,</p>
<p>While I agree somewhat with the gist of your thoughts, I would say that the music style issue is an important one. You are right - people bring people. But I can also tell you that music style can definitely hinder a person from returning. My ministry context is definitely different than most who would read or post on this blog (entertainment-driven Las Vegas) and I can assure you that our music is a huge factor in who we reach.  We are a church composed primarily of 20s-30s and our band members are primarily professional musicians. They bring it loud and hard and it definitely is a factor in helping our diverse crowd return. Also keep in mind that we attract a large group of nonbelievers who have some strange misconceptions about church. Our music engages their heart and mind long before I speak.  </p>
<p>Bottom line: music should both glorify God and engage the hearer.  If one of these factors is missing, the music has lost its purpose.  Music is not necessarily central in our cultural context but it is vital to our weekend environments and is definitely a piece of our puzzle in a post-Christian culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather W. Reichgott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather W. Reichgott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

I think the one thing no one has mentioned yet is that so-called "contemporary" music was largely written before today's 20-somethings were born--a lot of it is 70s light rock/folk rock (at least in style, if not actual copyright date.)  That'll reach the 40-somethings now, people, not the 20-somethings...

Of course this is entirely anecdotal, too, but the things around here that I see 20-somethings being attracted to in church are honesty, non-judgmental atmosphere, people they can form relationships with pretty easily (often but not always of the same generation), and the good news of the gospel (when presented truly as good news.)  As for music, sure, it's always fun to hear stuff that is familiar (don't we all enjoy that?) but we can enjoy learning new stuff too.  At 28 I'm slightly too old for the ipod-obsessed generation, but yeah, eclectic music is all good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.</p>
<p>I think the one thing no one has mentioned yet is that so-called &#8220;contemporary&#8221; music was largely written before today&#8217;s 20-somethings were born&#8211;a lot of it is 70s light rock/folk rock (at least in style, if not actual copyright date.)  That&#8217;ll reach the 40-somethings now, people, not the 20-somethings&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course this is entirely anecdotal, too, but the things around here that I see 20-somethings being attracted to in church are honesty, non-judgmental atmosphere, people they can form relationships with pretty easily (often but not always of the same generation), and the good news of the gospel (when presented truly as good news.)  As for music, sure, it&#8217;s always fun to hear stuff that is familiar (don&#8217;t we all enjoy that?) but we can enjoy learning new stuff too.  At 28 I&#8217;m slightly too old for the ipod-obsessed generation, but yeah, eclectic music is all good.</p>
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		<title>By: Music Style Is Not Magic &#124; Said At Southern Seminary</title>
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		<description>[...] out Trevin&#8217;s post on why music style is NOT the key to reaching the 20 something [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SBC in Crisis: Blog Roundup for 10/06/2007, Reading Week Edition &#124; Said At Southern Seminary</title>
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		<dc:creator>SBC in Crisis: Blog Roundup for 10/06/2007, Reading Week Edition &#124; Said At Southern Seminary</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Trevin Wax has a brilliant post about how a church&#8217;s musical style really isn&#8217;t the key to the 20-something crowd.  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sallysjourney</title>
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		<dc:creator>sallysjourney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post- you have confirmed what I have been saying to our church for years... as an older minister I apreciate your insights</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post- you have confirmed what I have been saying to our church for years&#8230; as an older minister I apreciate your insights</p>
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		<title>By: Reaching the 20something group &#171; Can you take the heat?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reaching the 20something group &#171; Can you take the heat?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reaching the 20something&#160;group  Jump to Comments I read a post recently on reaching the 20something generation.  Read This [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amusing Ourselves on Sunday &#171; Seminarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amusing Ourselves on Sunday &#171; Seminarian</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] another interesting article see this post on contemporary worship and is (in)ability to bring in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Finite Calls Infinite &#187; Does the Church think big enough?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finite Calls Infinite &#187; Does the Church think big enough?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reading this commentary on reaching the 20&#8217;s generation in the church today, I had this crazy thought: what if one of the big reasons 20+ year olds drop out of church is because we aren&#8217;t idealistic enough? We don&#8217;t challenge them enough? We don&#8217;t give them a cause worth living for or dying for? What if they see college, sex, entertainment, travel, gaming, etc., as being far more exciting, diverse, and self-fulfilling than anything the church has to offer? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reading this commentary on reaching the 20&#8217;s generation in the church today, I had this crazy thought: what if one of the big reasons 20+ year olds drop out of church is because we aren&#8217;t idealistic enough? We don&#8217;t challenge them enough? We don&#8217;t give them a cause worth living for or dying for? What if they see college, sex, entertainment, travel, gaming, etc., as being far more exciting, diverse, and self-fulfilling than anything the church has to offer? [...]</p>
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